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  An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

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  because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.

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  The US culture had nothing todo with their entry into the war.

  Uh... Whatever was the then US culture either would stand for a declaration of war on Germany and Japan or not. It did. Culture had everything to do with every nation's entry (or not) into conflicts of the 20th Century.

  Basically, the obsession with guns now has nothing whatsoever to do with the US involvement in WWII.

  Who's said otherwise?

  Cultures change, and the US culture has surely changed a great deal since the mid-20th Century. Per capita of Euro-explorers/settlers gun ownership on the territory known today as the USA has been prevalent since they immigrated to its shores. It turned out to be an essential element of how the US survived as a nation. Having and owning this personal protective gear and being willing to use it is deep rooted in US culture. My take on current US culture is that gun ownership provisions have been hijacked by paranoids (think: NRA leadership) so that responsible gun ownership has been turned on its head to allow rogue members of society to too easily get their hands on firearms.

  As US culture continues to changed I think the day will come and should come when access to firearms in the USA is much tighter than it is today. I don't know when, and I don't know how, but I think the day will come, and probably the result of the whole world advancing socially and not so much just the USA.
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  An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

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  because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.

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  Honestly, the low hanging fruit on the subject of this thread is requiring gun owners to secure their arms and penalizing them severely if they do not.

  It's sad that this has not already taken root and been firmly planted in the USA by both state and federal statutes. It's a fairly rare thing to hear about a parent/guardian serving jail time for leaving firearms available to children who end up hurting/killing someone with them. We spend more time hunting down peaceful users of Mary Jane and punishing them while law-abiding gun owners leave loaded guns accessible to kids. Maybe we need an AGM (All Guns Matter) movement.
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  An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

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  because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.

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  First of all - which tyrants did the US overthrow? I presume you mean the British? I would strongly recommend doing some historical research instead of regurgitating what is essentially propaganda you've been fed all your life. Next you'll be telling us that the rebels were standing up against taxation that the British wanted to impose

  I'm quite sure I mentioned something about matters of the 20th Century. Little hint there...

  As for later oppressive governments - many, many people from different countries fought to end the threat of Nazism, not just the US and many of those were fighting while the US wasn't. For some countries WWII started in 1939 (or earlier).

  Of course many countries fought against Nazism, that's not the point. The point is that without US involvement in those efforts arguably it's highly unlikely that Germany would have been defeated as it was, not to mention Japan's then aggressive imperialism. If true that US involvement made the difference in outcomes then the US culture leading to that involvement was an essential element leading to defeat of tyrants of the 20th Century. Gun ownership is part of that culture. As said already, whether that citizenry's culture would have developed as it did to perform as it did in the 20th Century without its precursors holding very personal views about gun ownership I don't know.

  Besides, even if correct, to use that as some justification for justifying kids and teachers to be armed in order to avoid being gunned down today is simply a huge stretch IMO.

  Who's argued that?
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  An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

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  The US is by no means unique as a country which has armed its citizenry in order to overthrow an oppressor. It happens often in third world countries to this day. And to suggest that it was because of a US gun culture that tyrants were overthrown is quite a claim. I assume part of your claim refers to Adolf Hitler. If this is the case, the influence of gun culture could hardly be accepted as a cause for Hitler's defeat except in perhaps the most minutely debatable way - the noteworthy reasons for his defeat wouldn't even entertain your suggestion.

  SSC, I'm not sure what you mean. It's the culture of the then US citizenry that led to it engaging 20th Century tyrants as it did. Prevalence of gun ownership was only a piece of the overall construction of that culture. Whether that citizenry's culture would have developed as it did to perform as it did in the 20th Century without its precursors holding very personal views about gun ownership I don't know. The argument is not mine, but when you think about events of the 20th Century and the role played by US citizens in defeating genocidal governmental tyrannies one has to wonder whether the US gun-owning culture played a role in US citizens' willingness to do what they did to prevent an even worse world than we have now.
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  An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

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  The notion that you need guns in civilian population to have an effective army is funny. Maybe if your army is a bunch of amateur militia types then yes, but we expect professional soldiers to be trained and again, the professional military equipment has no place on the streets in the hands of civilians which renders the argument void.

  I don't think the argument is as simple as needing guns in the civilian population in order to have an effective army.

  Insofar as it's been presented to me the argument is more along the lines of a US population that has established a culture of standing up against governmental thuggery to a point that its citizenry is willing to put itself at risk in order to further what is in their mind a better way of governing. This willingness includes a willingness to fight and die for other peoples under threat. It happens to be the case that gun ownership has played a role in the construction of this culture. As the argument goes, without personal gun ownership its uncertain that the citizenry of the USA would have evolved the culture that led to this willingness, which in turn led the US citizenry to help defeat horrendous governmental aggression of the 20th Century.
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  An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

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  because she would not show him her puppies.. nobody has to tell you what country this happened in, you already know.. source.

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  ... but just look at the price your country is paying.

  I don't want to take away from the utter sadness I feel for the children involved in this horrific incident, but on the bigger question there are multiple and overlapping issues, one of which I'm not sure gets much attention because harsh backlash to the idea is likely and understandable. What am I talking about?

  For the past century the USA has been a world guardian of sorts. Think what the world would look like had not Germany been defeated... twice. And what about Japanese aggression in the mid-20th Century?

  The boys who fought and died under the stars and stripes were nurtured by a country with a rich history in having and using firearms. Had not so many of these boys been raised around firearms I'm not so sure the 20th Century would have turned out as it did. What I mean to say is, things could have turned out far worse.

  I think the day will come and should come when access to firearms in the USA is much tighter than it is today. I don't know when, and I don't know how, but I think the day will come, and probably the result of the whole world advancing socially and not so much just the USA. For one, if I had reasonable assurance that my family would not need to have firearms available for self-defense (not to mention hunting) I'd happily give up my firearms right this second if doing so would stop the madness of human-on-human violence I see.
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  An 11-year-old boy is in custody for murder for shooting and killing an eight-year-old neighbour girl with a shotgun . . .

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  But there needs to be some serious penalties for parents and other gun owners that fail to secure their fire arms. I think we can all agree that regardless of whether guns are legal or not, an 11 year old should not have unrestricted, unsupervised access to a fire arm. And that if that 11 year old DOES have unrestricted access to a fire arm, there should be some serious consequences for the negligent gun owner including wrongful death civil liability and criminal manslaughter charges if the unthinkable should happen.

  Amen to that!!!

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  Anyone have an s-77 form?

  by breakfast of champions in

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  i've searched this site and and all of the links (posted 7-8 years ago) are dead.. i also tried googling it, but to no avail.. there was one pretty poorly scanned copy on here.. .

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  Don't forget the blue envelope!

  
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  My Mother Died Two Weeks Ago

  by Perry in

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  none of my jehovah's witness relatives called to tell me or my family.

  just found out this morning.

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  So sorry to hear of your loss, and the dreadful feelings you must be encountering. The stuff of life can really kick us sometime. Things will get better. My thoughts are in your and your family's behalf.

  Marvin
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  Anyone have an s-77 form?

  by breakfast of champions in

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  2. bible

  i've searched this site and and all of the links (posted 7-8 years ago) are dead.. i also tried googling it, but to no avail.. there was one pretty poorly scanned copy on here.. .

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  S-77 form from 1992

  S-77 form from 1999

  S-79 forms for year 1984